do you have any IBOGAINE?

[mikal haley]

becue medicinal marijuana has been so successful in Boulder and because i know a lot of junkies and alcoholics i am taking it onto myself to start an Iboga hut. I have the time.

as such, i know that there are people WHO KNOW ABOUT WHAT IBOGAINE CAN DO who
a) wanna make sure I am not a cop or a narc, i'm not and
b) wanna know what makes me think i can do it -- i am west african in heritage and feel it is my shamanic destiny, and also boulder is somewhat liberal and semi-enlightened about entheogens...

i would like to get people's insight on how i could do what i have stated -- start an Iboga House or Iboga Hut here in Boulder -- most quickly and effectively and safely.
i don't know EVERYTHING about Iboga.

i don't know...what I will really have to deal with legally aside from being secretive and lawyering up because it's sch. one. I am determined to seek out the assistance of local marijuana provider doctors.

I'd like to be activistically, with foresight, part of what decriminalizes Iboga in the United States.

I daresay the President's African heritage might mean that it's time to strike while the iron is hot.

i hope this all made sense...i have been indigo for countless centuries...and/or at least for years...

lost a few friends last year
as probably some of you did too - all to addiction-related syndromes...


also i have a 'zine that i am working on gradually to bring to the streets called Entheogen Shaman. it's a labor of love and a work in progress....you can check it out if you have the whim.

acceptance and love are greater than insanity, denial and indifference...that's what i believe...

http://dumuzi.hypersonic.googlepages.com/

it's okay to write me off list.
if you know boulder, or the rainbowfamily real well, you know i'm for real...??

[Jelly]

CAUTION!!

Just want to say that while I DO truly believe in the healing power of hallucinogens, this is a very dangerous path to tread. Even something as simple as a sweat lodge can kill people ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113669852 ).

That said, this is an idea whose time has come. Not because we have a black president (patently ridiculous, that guy acts whiter than me), but because people are opening up to the healing powers of the plants that grow around us.

but i think throwing the rainbow family name around as credibility...well, it stinks. For instance, I've been doing gatherings for almost 20 years, I think I know "the rainbowfamily real well," but I don't recall meeting you ever. I hang around Boulder off and on for years, haven't met you there either. My point is: knowing whether or not you are "for real" would require a heck of a lot more than having been to a gathering or to Boulder.

I've read your other posts, I think I get where you're 'coming from. I like it, and I like you. But be careful including our 'family' in your personal agendas.

J

[mikal haley]

thanks!

[Jelly]

This is a note that the mikal haley left on my profile page. I deleted it from there and moved it here. And After I post it I will reply.

J




since i know the rainbow family well, but don't know you personally
I WILL tell you why i feel disrespected BY YOU
right off the bat.

because you don't know me,
haven't met me
and don't know what i do for the family.

at all, you don't.

you got a auutomatc problem with my skin color
than you will wash out eventually with the tides. you're not our family
and i don't need someone coming and saying that there are no racists in our family because everyone knows there aresome who do their best to seem like it. they are like the klan and they rock swasticas and everyone knowswho they are.

i had something to say
and i said it.







because you
don't seem to recognize shaminsm and entheogens as a way to spread earth traditions and open hearts:


because you don't seem to recognize that The PROPHECY of the WARRIORS of the RAINBOW is first for indigenous tribal cultures and peoples, and then for all, more than for an insular bunch who don't care about the people of the mainstream world, made by the same Prime Creator, the same Original Cause.


and you made a statement on the internet about what YOU were thinking sort of egoically.


i know that you will probably go on disrespecting me and projecting YOUR idea of what is righteous.

indigenos people sfrm africa to america have suffered from the rbrutal arrogance of such false righteousnes since the 1400s b. c. in India.


since i know i come from the heart,
i will simply wonder when the arrogant and wrong will finally GONE
so that eyes of fire and the Hop's prophecies can be revealed.

you didn't seem to read what i wrote and why, you come off not like a cop but like someone with a cop's attitude who is authoritarian and has to regulate to look cool.

real respect comes from somewhere else.

and after THis STATEMENT
"(patently ridiculous, that guy acts whiter than me),

i don't EVER want you to come at me with words for at least like seven years.
you are a damn fool
skin color doesn't have a personality.

i would want to defend myself against stereotypical bigotry if you pulled out words like that to my face, kid.


selah.


by the way

http://therainbowfamilytribe.tribe.net/thread/e7fa0ef1-3e81-4bfc-81...

a lot more family than justme have been sick of your sort of superficial prejudice spewing and steotype-misinfomed attitude for a LONG time. open your ind, if you can.

divergence is happening
and people will soon be able to tell the fake from the real.

[Jelly]

since i know the rainbow family well, but don't know you personally
I WILL tell you why i feel disrespected BY YOU
right off the bat.

I maintain, respect is earned. You have my unconditional love and acceptance. Those are given freely. There's no disrespect intended at any rate. Just a warning to those that might consider what you are proposing seriously. A simple request for caution and respect. I have had friends die in s0-called "ceremonies" as well as a result of addiction.

because you don't know me,
haven't met me
and don't know what i do for the family.

No, and that's EXACTLY the point I was making. I have been around for almost 20 years and WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER! Using the fact that you have been to gatherings and around rainbow folks is NOT CREDIBILITY. It proves nothing about your character, we get good and schwag. Just because one is "Rainbow" does not preclude that they aren't mistaken, misguided, wrong, or just plain crazy.

you got a auutomatc problem with my skin color
than you will wash out eventually with the tides. you're not our family

Really? who appointed you secret leader of rainbow? I got elders coming and visiting ME. Not the other way around. I don't like to toot my own horn, but I have earned a lot of respect from our kitchen and focalizers all over the gathering. Because I added caution to your post, I lose my bellybutton?


and i don't need someone coming and saying that there are no racists in our family because everyone knows there aresome who do their best to seem like it. they are like the klan and they rock swasticas and everyone knowswho they are.

And what did I say to make you think I'm racist? That Obama acts whiter than me? Puh-leease!

Too often someone brings the issue of race to the table; then shoves it in everyone's face when anyone else even breathes their opinion. I accuse YOU of racism, mikal. My mind NEVER even registered what race you may or may not be. It was enough that you are a human offering potentially dangerous treatment that needs supervision to other humans.

because you
don't seem to recognize shaminsm and entheogens as a way to spread earth traditions and open hearts:

That's an awful lot to get from what I said, considering I even stated that, "this is an idea whose time has come" and "people are opening up to the healing powers of the plants that grow around us." Take your sour grapes elsewhere. I'm not the person whom you are really disrespected by.

because you don't seem to recognize that The PROPHECY of the WARRIORS of the RAINBOW is first for indigenous tribal cultures and peoples, and then for all, more than for an insular bunch who don't care about the people of the mainstream world, made by the same Prime Creator, the same Original Cause.

Hmmm, I don't seem to recall that. In fact: I'm pretty sure everyone is invited. And, secondly, you should research that supposed 'prophecy.' I heard it was misquoted and wrongly attributed. Besides, I'm indigenous to the US. I was born here, too.

and you made a statement on the internet about what YOU were thinking sort of egoically.

?? YOUR statement that your inclusion in rainbow and I "don't know what [I] do for the family" Is LOADED with ego. Where do I make the assertion that the world cannot get along without me? That I deserve something for what I do? Where? Nowhere. But I can find and have shown several examples of your use of this fallacy.

i know that you will probably go on disrespecting me and projecting YOUR idea of what is righteous.

As will you, and I am just as convinced you are what you accuse me of being.

indigenos people sfrm africa to america have suffered from the rbrutal arrogance of such false righteousnes since the 1400s b. c. in India.

Arrogance is offering a treatment plan that has very little real research (though what is out there supports your assertions about ibogaine and others, and HUZZAH! for that.)

and the Hop's prophecies can be revealed.

Again, was proven to be misquoted and wrongly attributed by the author of the book,"People of the Rainbow: A Nomadic Utopia (1997) University of Tennessee Press." Do your homework.

you didn't seem to read what i wrote and why,

Um, yes, I did. AND I AGREED WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

authoritarian and has to regulate to look cool.

I quit beating my head on that wall LOOOONG ago. I jst want people to be cautious when hearing about these types of treatment and if some one offers a word of caution (which you did not) then folks are more empowered to seek information and come to their own conclusions. You think having just one side of the story is adequate?

and after THis STATEMENT
"(patently ridiculous, that guy acts whiter than me),

i don't EVER want you to come at me with words for at least like seven years.
you are a damn fool
skin color doesn't have a personality.

And your assertion that BECAUSE we have an african-american president the time is right for ibogaine is LESS foolish? Aren't you making the same assertion? That because the skin color of the president is...what it is, that the time for ibogaine clinics is at hand? Oh, wait, YOU said "African heritage" Maybe I'm not so smart after all. I mean, I get that skin color and heritage aren't mutually inclusive, necessarily. But how are they separate in this case, in what way does the president's heritage and corresponding skin color become disparate?

i would want to defend myself against stereotypical bigotry if you pulled out words like that to my face, kid.

What is that supposed to mean? That sounds like a veiled threat of bodily harm to me. Very un-Rainbow of you. Non-enlightened, one might say.

Aaaand last, but not least:

by the way

http://therainbowfamilytribe.tribe.net/thread/e7fa0ef1-3e81-4bfc-81...

a lot more family than justme have been sick of your sort of superficial prejudice spewing and steotype-misinfomed attitude for a LONG time. open your ind, if you can.

Hmm, I don't get that. I don't think you do either. Clearwater has issues with the way I talked to that 'supposed' elder. (Who I offered to sit and talk with face-to-face 'on the land' but he never showed up, I might add.) I think CW had some bad information from another person and was actually venting on me for what he was told I did personally to the other party. Because I have sat and joked in exactly the same "themes" with CW for many years.

You should have included that link to that thread. It was much more interesting than "What is a drainbow?" But, that's fine, you hang out with those that "sick of [my] sort of superficial prejudice spewing and steotype-misinfomed attitude" and I'll keep inviting you to eat at the kitchen.

J

[Jelly]

One thing just started bugging me. the name 'selah' is also being used by someone little byrd posted FOR in giving information in the shawnee gathering. what does that mean? am I talking to mikal or selah?

I don't want to point my response at mikal if those were not his words. I only wanted to add caution, I support your vision, mikal. Heck, I even AGREE with it.

J

[sus]

whats IBOGAINE